Let's start with an AKC
German Shepherd that thinks he is producing "Shilohs"--Von Bruins Shade!
Shade pedigree). The
OFA report shows that a lot of this dog's siblings and half siblings
have OFA good hips! Great! This could mean that this dog can produce
But--why does the
report list hip results on only two of his
pups with one showing CHD and the other one only rating a fair? It also
looks like the HYBRID (Barrel of Fun-Sunstar Kennels) passed his hips
but not the elbows? Obviously all of these (5 ) pups came from the same
litter because they carry the same kennel name and date of birth. Very
confusing to see only seven of his progeny listed--claiming to be of
such a variety of breeds. What about all of the other pups he
produced? Are they too crippled to get an OFA rating?
|Two are GSD's (AKC
One is a HYBRID (registry unknown)
"OTX splinter shilohs"
from unknown "registries"
How can a male
bred to just one female produce so many "breeds" within the
Then we see the same
thing happening again with
Behunter. This guy's report only lists five offspring, obviously out
of three litters (as per the dates of birth). So either
he has produced a lot of progeny with bad hips
(that were never submitted) or he produces extremely small litters!
Three of these dogs claim to be German Shepherds (with real AKC papers)
and two are "otx splinter
are additional examples of GSD's being used to de"fraud" the public into
paying large sums of money for a so-called "rare breed" fake
"OTX splinter shiloh".
<<Kind Kye-Ann Selah" is sired by
"Agape's Moses Selah" out of "Diamond's Dynamite Lightening" and
has only pure shiloh lines in her pedigree (copy available upon
request) in spite of the BF's rantings...>>
dog is still AKC registered and was bred several times by
Selah AKC German Shepherds prior to being retired. (http://selah1.homestead.com/myfemales.html
This dog may carry some of my "Shiloh lines" (2 in the 3rd
generation) but she also carries a lot of the Baker dogs
too...so does this make her a "Baker" dog aka "Texas
Wooley" or a "Selah" dog, her kennel of origin, or just a
pet quality GSD? Note her AKC papers!
Kye-Ann Selah pedigree (this links to a screen print of the
Kellisa page as pages have a way of disappearing once we link to
Now at the ripe
old age of seven she has just had another litter for Kellisa,
only this time they will be registered as
fake "OTX splinter shiloh".
Judy must have some kind of magic wand that can change any dog's
breed (please view my December 2006
update) with just a flick of a key!
then again, why not? She has managed to change owners names just
as easily and can even turn wolf hybrids into Shilohs.
Nothing is impossible for her "magic"
NSBR "registry"! You don't even have to OWN the dog. Just
find (or steal) a GSD looking dog and the
NSBR will register it!
Maybe that's why most of the
discontents seem to be drawn to it, be sure to take
a moment to review the "new"
that has just been formed!
Don't be fooled by the
"Shiloh lines" BS either, puppy millers have used that excuse for
decades in order to fool the unsuspecting public into purchasing their
inferior quality pups!
If a dog
does not meet the ISSR standard for entry into the real Shiloh
Shepherd registry--then it's just a GSD/mix that should not be
used in the ongoing development of the REAL Shiloh Shepherd!
a moment to read
Shiloh or Long
many other GSDxShiloh "outcrosses" are out there? What kind of
information (about each dog and his/her progeny) has been made available
to the public?
Is this the best they
Breeder Founder: Cherry Blossom Classic 2006
Where did these dogs
come from? Why were they chosen as "outcrosses"? Who made these
Was the breed founder of the REAL Shiloh Shepherd consulted?
Just in the past
3 years 11 "outcrosses" were added to the splinter registries!
Here are just a few
pramen CKSP 42105 / Jara
pramen CMKU 25244)
Viggo vom Paragon
(Diamond Hill's Lightening Bullet / Happy Hagar Selah)
Paragon's Kyros von Selah (Briarwood
Brutal Chaos Selah/Kind Kye-Ann Selah)
None of these dogs
were planned/produced/approved by Shiloh Shepherds Kennel. None of
for entry into the ISSR!
Thus far all
of these dogs have also been AKC registered and bred to
other GSD's and producing AKC litters! Yet now the NSBR is
claiming that those dogs are
this be an acceptable practice while the real Shiloh
Shepherds are trying to focus on strict separation in order
to attain independent breed recognition?
deceitful practices have been spawned to pad the pockets of
those that are out to de"fraud" the gullible public, not to
do anything beneficial toward full breed recognition for the
imperative that you understand WHAT this is all about!
1. Tina Barber
has dedicated her life to developing her ideal "dream"
breed. Not only did she invest her entire inheritance,
but she continued to literally work "18 hour days" in order
to support her dream! By the late 80's she had managed to
consistently produce enough stock to separate her
into a "Rare" (still under development) "Breed" category
that was now capable of producing the structurally sound
(solid hips- super intelligent- gentle giants) she had been
out on viewing
Shepherds: Pedigree Examples of the Real Thing
a Shiloh Shepherd 1990 |
the 1st 40 Years |
The Shiloh Shepherd Story |
slivers, led by Judy V., on the other hand, have discovered
a "legal" marketing ploy that has allowed them to "use" the
"shiloh" name in order to sell all of their GSD mix/inbred
pups for THOUSANDS of dollars instead of just selling them
for the $200-$400 that they are really worth.
they are fighting so hard to "get rid" of
Zion Shilohs--they can't stand the light that is
constantly being utilized to
expose their "fraud"!
Be sure to
take a moment to visit
and view the
Are These Dogs Shiloh Shepherds?
Do a pedigree search on
Each one of them has the
"word" "Shiloh" in their pedigree; yet they all have AKC
papers that clearly prove that they are registered as German
Shepherds--therefore, they must be German Shepherds, right?
Just look at the 5 generation pedigree for
Kaylair's Blackberry Brandy, one of Royalair's
foundation bitches. What do you see?
Emma too is from Shiloh lines. Yet Royal Air
(Robin) is an honest breeder that has never claimed her dogs
are Shilohs! Her pups sell for thousands because they carry
her respected AKC kennel name!
are just "fraud"s!
Let's just apply a little bit of
common sense here.
If these dogs are AKC registered
German Shepherds, and when bred to other GSD's they produce
AKC registered German Shepherd puppies....how
can Judy or any of the other sliver "registries" issue
papers claiming they are "Shiloh Shepherds" ....a breed
STILL under development via the ISSR, Inc?
It's just a scam!
AKC is not interested in recognizing any "breed" as a "variation" of an
<<The FSS® is not open to "rare" breeds that are a variation of an
AKC-registrable breed or the result of a combination of two
AKC-recognized breeds. This includes and is not limited to differences
such as size (over & under), coat type, coat colors, and coat colors
and/or types that are disqualifications from Conformation Events by AKC
breed standards.>> Please see
Foundation Stock Service.
That's why the White
German Shepherd was unable to make any progress with the AKC! Instead,
some finally got FCI recognition as the Berger Blanc Suisse while others
are still being registered as "German Shepherds" with the CKC/AKC
although a few have finally succeeded in getting UKC recognition.
However, they are not allowed
to crossbreed among themselves!
common knowledge that all reputable registries consider a
dog to be nothing more than a "mix" unless he/she can prove
no less than 3 generations of pure (not mixed) ancestry that
has been derived from a well planned breeding program! Even
then they are not considered a "breed" although they may
qualify for the AKC-FSS program, if the association approves
them or they may apply for entry into the Agriculture of
Canada Pedigree Act program like the Seppalas have done!
Even ARBA does
not "recognize" such mixes and has clearly stated so:
<<The American Rare Breed Association
accepted this breed as a breed. A breed with a breed
standard. It did not accept this breed as a German Shepherd
Dog. It accepted it as a Shiloh Shepherd. This breed was
accepted well over ten years ago. This breed should be
breeding Shiloh to Shiloh. Yours or no other organization
should be asking us to accept Shiloh Shepherd pedigrees
mixed with German Shepherd Dogs. What is the sense? Why
would we accept your breed and give it full recognition if
it is still mixed with the German Shepherd Dog for breeding?
You may have your reasons for wanting to do such, but that
is not our mission. When an individual calls and asks what
is a Shiloh Shepherd what should be ARBA's response?>>
was sent out by Robert Slack, ARBA director, on
May 10th, 2006, to all Cherry Blossom Exhibitors.
Cherry Blossom Classic reports may be viewed at:
that are a result of two breeds (Cocker Spaniel x Poodle) or the product
of two similar "types' (Malamute x Husky) are not considered pure unless
both dogs are the products of a registry that recognizes each dog as a
member of the same breed; otherwise, the progeny do not qualify for
If these dogs,
claiming to be "Shilohs", are nothing more than unpapered GSD's then how
can they be shown in rare breed shows? What does that say for the
organizations that are promoting this insanity? Just ask ARBA
officials--they will tell you that they have banned these "mixes" from
showing in regular classes. They have been moved into special mutt (aka
OTX) classes because they do not consider most of the
NSBR dogs as being "purebred" Shilohs!
yourself! Don't be fooled by the "sales" hype the
slivers are spewing.
study some of my articles like
Puppy Producers: What R They?
The people that are promoting this travesty are
not BREEDERS at all--they are no different than
those that are
only interested in making a profit on their unpapered pups by attempting
to convince the unsuspecting public that they are buying a rare breed
puppy that is worth more than its AKC counterpart!
If you are looking for a nice Long Haired GSD, then please
visit reputable breeders like Royalair and ask Robin to help
you find the dog of your dreams! Don't fall for the sliver
OTX hype! That's why they have so many "older" pups left
over! Some are even getting dumped at shelters or sold on
about the AKC/Selah INBRED Horrors?
Hills Lightening Bullet (http://selah1.homestead.com/Klaus.html)
as a GSD; as a
Also Bullet appears to have been
bred to Kind Kye-Ann Selah (See the Kellisa site).
Were these heavily inbred pups sold as GSDs (for a few
hundred dollars) or as Shilohs (for thousands)? Or both?
take a moment to stop and consider the
pro's and con's of inbreeding.
Reputable Experienced Breeders (REB's) occasionally take
a gamble and breed two littermates, or another closely
related combination in order to unveil some of the hidden
recessives--but--this is only done after a careful pedigree
investigation has been completed, and the resulting progeny
is either kept by the breeder or carefully placed
into pre-selected homes.
Puppy Mills often do this too, but not for genetic
research! They just breed whatever they have handy, even if
they happen to be littermates that they were unable to sell
previously--now they can make money from them, so they let
them have as many pups as they can pump out! Some are being
bred every heat, well past their prime!
with this picture?
biggest horror I can see in this breeding is the
RC!! Not only are the parents "almost" "littermates"
(please note the Sire is out of Silver Bullet
and Dynamic Lightening--while the dam is out
of Moses and Dynamic Lightening),
Not only do they share the
same dam, but the sires are BROTHERS! If
you study the linebreeding on the Shiloh side you
can clearly see that "Still Smokin' and "Golden
Sheba" are both linebred on Gunsmoke.
Baker line was brought in
(as an outcross) to dilute some of the
faults (such as mega-e) that Gunsmoke passed on.
However, the Baker line also
contributed other undesirable traits (such as
that must be carefully tested for and monitored whenever "Super
Sweet Sabrina Selah" appears too many times in the
pedigree and when heavy inbreeding raises her homozygous
levels to anything over 3%.
ran a quick (basic
16 generation) RC on this pair, I was SHOCKED to note
that the RC was up to 49.2%. (Sixty
generation calculations are even higher!) The ISSR does not
allow such combinations to be bred! We encourage our LB's to
IC's under 19%
with RC's under 29%. Occasionally we will approve one that
is slightly higher, but only after extremely careful
analysis of the LMX reports and other pertinent data!
Practical Application of Relationship and Inbreeding
Inbreeding -- Is It Necessary? |
Coefficient of Inbreeding
We always discourage any
breeding that will raise the blood % of Sabrina, especially
if it's higher than that of Shane!
KARI is the ONLY dog (from the past) that should maintain a
higher blood % influence! SHE is the cornerstone
of this breed! Not the "NB" dogs that were used to reduce
our RC factors!!
a moment to view
In the above
breeding, Sabrina shows up as 37.5% with a 6.3% homozygous
factor! Even Mia shows up with a 7.2% factor because she is
there 56 times, showing up on both sire and dam's sides in
the 8th, 9th, 10, 11th, 12 and 14th generations! Why is this
"bad"? Well, if you knew the truth then maybe you
would understand. As Don always say, "Paper don't
refuse ink". If her sire really was a
then why do the slivers keep inbreeding on her?
WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO CREATE?
Please take a look at this
example of a
prospect" produced within the sliver
"shiloh" camps .. then
take a GOOD look at
these pictures, and just imagine them
with glued up ears!!
Do these dogs look
like *real* Shiloh Shepherds???
Not sure?? Then
please take a good look at our
IBS and compare the drawings to what the
slivers are selling as "shilohs".
IF THE DRAWINGS DIDN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS,
THEN JUST LOOK AT SOME
examples? Ok, let's compare their "upcoming"
"puppy" (Galen) with 2 young ISSR "pups"!
Acer at 9
Adam at 24
What about adults?
GV for 2005
This is the best
dog they have!
Read more. Then view
full reports with more pictures of sliver
dogs. And don't forget to look at the TRUE size!
Each year them seem to be getting smaller and
Why don't you take a
look at the
Pets owned by our forum members! They are much nicer and bigger than
anything that the slivers are producing!
Unfortunately, their sneaky scams
to get rich by using my Shiloh Shepherd name are creating a
lot of distress for the real ISSR breeders that are working
hard to expand our limited gene pool in order to attain
full breed recognition
for these magnificent dogs!
Before you throw
your hard earned money away--to support the
defectors--please check our
ISSR Licensed Breeders and then visit our
Licensed Breeder Matrix
for specific details.
The Shiloh Shepherd is not a GSD
Please read the
each dog had to meet in order to be called a "Shiloh
Shepherd" and then read the
ISSR Rules that have
been in force since 1991! The King Shepherd started out as a
Shiloh/GSD cross but, at least they haven't called their
progeny "Shiloh Shepherds"!
Shiloh Shepherd was developed at
Shiloh Shepherd Kennels. You can read full details
regarding all phases of their development via the many
articles we have available in our
Please pay special attention to
ongoing breed development articles.
yourself a favor -- STOP -- INVESTIGATE --
and ask questions before it is too late!
Shiloh Shepherd Story and then contact a
be sure to bookmark this page and visit often! We will also
be adding more splinter dog data on
Tina Speaks for your continued education!
bookmark these links and visit our
DON'T LET THE
FRAUDS FOOL YOU!
Shepherds have been under development since 1974.
Kennel of Origin. Since 1991 they have been registered
via the ISSR.
was formed in 2000 to collect additional data, that was
Dr. George Padgett and the results have been published
Learning Center since 2001.
"splintering" did not start until the first ISSDC/r was
formed in 1998 and you can easily read all about it by
Remembering the Past and the
History of the Club
Split. Since that time none of the "breeders" have
been able to agree with each other, so they have continued
to splinter off into a variety of "self-proclaimed"
Judy. Please view our
registry comparisons for additional information. Most
of the slivers use this one because they can get papers for
is run by
Gaby. Please be sure to view her
It was one of the biggest jokes ever played on the
been under construction for several years with a continual
change of officers. The website hasn't even been updated
in several years. Why?
was started by
Patti but has also had a variety of officers over the
past few years! Hardly anyone is using it any longer. The
officers have been replaced so many times that it has just
about fizzled itself out!
groups have also come and gone over the years! Please take a
moment to read
happen to these "records" when the "officers" change again?
What kind of stability can you expect from these people?
What good will these
"papers" do you after the breed is recognized?
your dog does not have ISSR papers, he is not in
the ISSR database that will have to be submitted
to the FCI upon approval! If your dog is not in
that group, then there is no way for your dog to
get AKC/CKC papers later down the road.
It's that simple!
All you have is fake "papers" for a "mixed
breed" dog! Those papers won't do you any good
if you try to present them to a legitimate
organization! All you are doing right now is to
"play house" with the slivers, sending them more
money, enabling them to laugh at you all the way
to the bank!
|December 2006 Update
I have just been informed of
another travesty! For some strange reason, the slivers are
trying a "new" angle to "prove" that they are breeding "true"
Shilohs by claiming that "Selah" kennels (run by a young girl
that was just a teen when I entered the rare breed world with MY
Shiloh Shepherds--in other words, she wasn't even born yet when
the breed was started in 1974!) has some sort of claim on this
she clearly states that her dogs are AKC registered, and not
affiliated with the Shiloh Shepherd!
Furthermore, Selah did not even
exist as its own entity until the late 90's!
This can be
clearly proven via the OFA and the AKC websites. Only one
"Selah" dog (Sabrina son) born via a litter produced at
"Agape" kennel in 1991. No other (solely) Selah dogs are
recorded until in the late 90's. Please see this extract
when searching on "Selah" and German Shepherds.
|Please note: As per a
recent pedigree search we located the following Selah
registered dogs. Be sure to note their DOB.
1. Agape's Moses-Selah
2. Prince Eli-Selah (11-99)
3. Amos-Selah (9/2000)
4. Dyna-Mite Surprise U Selah (9/2000)
5. Helga-O-Mega Selah (12/02)
6. King Cyrus-Selah (8/04)
7. Sierra's Ryan Express Selah (7/05)
First dog recorded is
Agape's Moses-Selah (a Sabrina son) born in 1991 with no
others solely using the Selah name until the late 90's!
But who is this dog? Where did he come from?
He was not entered into the
AKC stud books until September 1997, long after Sabrina,
who was born in 1987, had been retired. So one must
assume that his breeder found an extra blue paper
(common in those days) from an older litter in order to
paper a dog she wanted to breed. His hips were done at
age 7 in 1998 (84 months) when he suddenly was used for
breeding for the first time--and then sired 4 litters
Why did Alice change
her kennel name to Selah? Maybe the "new slivers"
convinced her that it would increase the value of her
GSD pups? Even if they had NO "shiloh" blood in them.
Just look at
By 2005 (see #7) her "Selah" dogs were far removed from
ANY "Shiloh" ancestry, and many never had even had a
Shiloh anywhere in them!!!
The truth is easy
take it one step at a time! Take a good look at
her parents, grandparents etc...nearly all of them are prefixed
by the BAKER kennel name, or *their* Parents were produced by
Don Baker! You don't see a "Selah" Kennel mentioned anywhere! It
was just part of that dog's name!
For you GSD
lovers, I'm sure you have heard of Manhattan, the Westminster
winner. If I started a kennel now and called it Manhattan
because I had one of his progeny, would that prove that I
produced the grand Manhattan? If I tried making such a claim in
the GSD world, I would be run out of town!
Sabrina and was very upset with Alice for changing her name! It
was supposed to be Baker's Sabrina...but she filled out the AKC
papers to say Super Sweet Sabrina Selah! It was not her kennel
name. She didn't even have one yet and later (early 90's) she
THIS IS A FACT!
SHAME SHAME SHAME!
Super Sweet Sabrina Selah (born 3/30/87)
Litters by DOB
Shiloh-Guardian Still Smokin'
Shiloh's Easy Rider
Shiloh-Guardian Still Smokin'*
Secret Samson Woo
Shiloh-Guardian Still Smokin'*
* No pups from
these litters were used in the development of the
(from the 1989 litter) owner was honest enough to name his dog
Shiloh's Captain-Caliber BAKER (to give Don his rightful honor).
No Agape or Selah there! Please keep in mind, for decades kennel
names were as important as last names! You would not give your
children someone else's last name, would you? The only "benefit"
a real breeder gets is the "glory" of their name being highly
respected! There's no money in breeding, just ego as any true
REB will tell you! Only BYB's are in for the money.
take a look at what
Selah (Becky and Alice's German Shepherds) has to say!
Alice's daughter, and has not been breeding dogs for decades as
some would want you to believe. I searched the site but could
not find a picture of Becky...bummer, because I used to have
some of her when she was still a teen, dating my son (while
Alice was still using her last name on her AKC pups). She
is a nice, beautiful girl, but she did not start "Selah" kennel.
as a matter of fact, I don't think she even used that name on
her dogs until the mid to late '90's. Why doesn't someone ask
her when she produced her own litter and when her mother changed
her kennel name? Ask them to show you the pedigree of their
oldest "Selah" dog (other than Sabrina who was just named that
way because it meant
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/selah.html .. as per
there are some "old" Shiloh lines in their pedigrees...but they
were ALL AKC dogs (that is why their GSD's still receive AKC
papers) and those dogs are so far back now that it no longer
matters! Once you outcross, you lose what you have established.
Unless you can linebreed back in, you keep drifting further and
post opened up a whole new can of worms and I was sent the Ryan
pedigree. My reply? Hello! Can
anyone see the fraud in this?
I went into a
lot of detail on our forums and will not repeat it here; suffice
it to say, if you look at Ryan's
pedigree. You can
clearly see that most of the dogs listed are GSD's! The "Shiloh"
kennel name is prefixed on only two dogs in the 4th generation!
One of the
analogies I gave was based on the wolf-hybrid % calculations.
Breeders of those cub-pups rate them as follows:
(100%) to pure dog (0%) = 50%
That pup bred to a pure dog = 25%.
The next time it is reduced to 12.%, etc. Very simple
If you use the
same formula on the sliver dogs you will come up with the same
(100%) bred to a GSD = 50% Shiloh.
Bred to another GSD, you get 25% Shiloh, etc.
In other words they are
selling QUARTER "shilohs" as **pure** just to make more money on
SHAME SHAME SHAME!
If that wasn't
slimy enough, now they have even resorted to faking names! Take
a good look at the dog on this
Dawn is advertising this dog (Bellegrace's Maizi) as being bred
to Sampson and as being OFA excellent. Well, if that is
true, than where is the OFA record in that name? Who are this
dog's parents? What about her littermates? Is there any
information about this mystery dog? Oh, I'm sure they will
"think" of something. anyone can make up FAKE names to be put on
FAKE pedigrees that list FAKE health data, etc.
Now that I'm
shining the light on this dog, they will be forced to fake
something, LOL! However, DNA can not be faked, so how are they
going to deal with that? What about the micro chip? Did someone
dig it out of her?
In actuality, the
only OFA Excellent dog living at Belle-Grace is
DAYSPRINGS AMAZING T-RA OF ZION!
T-Ra was born
Shilohs in March 2002. She had one litter for New Zion
and was retired. Is that why people try to adopt our girls so
that they can change their names and pump out sliver pups?
SHAME SHAME SHAME!
condoned in the sliver camps stink, big time! Just read
Speaks! I will continue to expose their "fraud" until they
wake up and stop trying to sell their inferior puppies under the
Shiloh Shepherd banner! Only quality ISSR pups have the right to
use my name!
On a personal
note: when the slivers first started spreading, like poison ivy,
many people told me to find lawyers, report them to various
agencies, etc., etc. Instead I chose to just keep shining
the light of TRUTH on their antics (despite being called angry
and hateful) and waiting for them to just hang themselves!
Well, as you can see, they are doing a great job of it now!
Be sure to stay
tuned for further developments in this series of ...
AS THE SHILOH WORLD TURNS!
Tina M. Barber for the Shiloh Shepherd Learning Center, January 2006
Updated February 2006.
Updated May 2006.
Updated July 2006
Updated October 2006
Updated December 2006
interesting fact that many people seem to often "miss"
actually revolves around the "word" "Shiloh"--that by the
way is also
a name that refers to
If you take a
click on this OFA search you will see nearly 100
"Shiloh" AKC German Shepherd Dogs listed! Some of them have
NOTHING to do with my kennel, even though they use the
"name" (as well as their REAL kennel name) in their
pedigrees! Just like the song "Shiloh" was not written for a
"dog" nor the book
Shiloh for a shepherd! Well, at least until the
slivers start registering all Beagles as Shiloh Shepherds
most of the dogs listed in the OFA database DID come from
"Shiloh Shepherd" Kennels, even though many of them did not
qualify for entry into the
Back in 1990 I
sent out a pink flyer to all of my clients, in an attempt to
explain these rules and WHY their dogs may/may not qualify
for inclusion into the foundation gene pool. Among the
analogies I provided, one was extreme but seemed to get more
attention than my well-documented message.
something like this....You need to understand that not
EVERYTHING born at Shiloh Farms will qualify as a "Shiloh
Shepherd". For example, my Arabian mare just had a
foal, but she can't be registered as a Shiloh Shepherd--even
though she is BIG--SUPER SMART and "Leggy"!! When my Persian
cat has kittens, they won't qualify either. Yes, they have
"longer hair" and nice small ears, but they won't be used to
produce future "Shiloh Shepherds". My goats are smart
too--and they sure have lots of Beauty and Brawn, but their
kids can't be entered into this gene pool either!
that meet the
requirements as detailed in this flyer can be registered
as Shiloh Shepherds!
excludes a lot of our GSD's, Gary's Rottweilers, Richard's
Doberman, and Lisa's Shelties too!!
Maybe if the
slivers had read this flyer way back then they wouldn't
insist on calling everything that has four legs a "Shiloh"?
Unfortunately, they weren't "around" back in those days,
most of them didn't have a clue that these dogs even
existed! However, now they insist on "re-creating" them?
people can't possibly be gullible enough to fall for that
song! The FACTS speak for themselves.
forget--real Shilohs can't be AKC registered because they
were crossed with
Samson (Giant Malamute mix, aka the "MAW" dog).
below demonstrates the proper ratio of
KARI/URSA/SAMSON/SABRINA that every ISSR breeder strives
towards. Be sure to click on the pedigree to view
it at a larger size.