When you mention the nasty double 4 letter word (politics) people seem to
get a sinking feeling in the pit of their stomach and want to run from it as
fast as they can--but they will sit for hours reading someone's perverted
lies, without even realizing that they have fallen for that person's
"political" ploys to defraud them.
1. Intrigue or
maneuvering within a political unit or group in order to gain control or
2. The often internally conflicting interrelationships
among people in a society.
--- The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.
Think about these
definitions! Think about who/what is causing the "conflict" and then
consider the reason (true facts) behind the assaults.
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. EDUCATE YOUR SELF.
Let's take this case as just one (of the
many) examples that the SSDCA, Inc. members are dealing with now!
In 2003 Jeffrey Bragg wrote
a nice article about the Shiloh Shepherd Dog for the Wikipedia. It
remained there for 21 months as an honest representation for our breed,
although more information could have been added, out of pure respect, no one
wanted to "edit" his work until the newly formed ISSDC members discovered it
and created a frenzy of objections.
Since the late fall of 2005
this poor article has been edited and re-edited so many times that the
Wikipedians had to step in, just to allow both sides to dispute the "FACTS"
that they disagreed with. The war was on, with the dissidents doing
everything in their power to convince the moderators that they were the
equal of the ISSR! Nothing anyone said would get them to change their
minds--they felt that the Wiki was their last chance for gaining some
semblance of credibility
in order to sell their GSD/mix pups!
I tried to reply to most of
their "arguments" but in just the past 6 weeks the discussion has already
swelled into 7 archives and will soon be hitting the 8th. (Average
archive is approximately 10 printed pages).
For this reason I have
chosen to offer my defense by making my presentation via web pages that will
be easier to deal with than scrolling through thousands of lines of printed
matter that can become very confusing because it often is hard to tell who
This week the slivers have
attempted to discredit the ISSR by misquoting numbers and twisting facts.
For that reason we have spent several days carefully examining, compiling
and updating our data in order to make this information easier for everyone
to understand. Nothing has been changed. Our goals are focused
on data clarification only!
First of all, everyone
needs to understand that the ISSR has several systems working within the
TCCP, focused on various objectives! Plus, we can't discount all of the AKC
dogs that were used in setting the foundations for the Shiloh Shepherd!
are NOT talking about AKC dogs that were born after the 1990 "AKC split" out
of parents that were NOT affiliated with the original Shiloh Shepherds
kennel--or even dogs that had "Shiloh lines" but did NOT meet the
requirements set by the ISSR!
we want to look at "the" numbers -- we need to consider the BIG PICTURE!
What "numbers" are we looking at? Where did they come from? What was their
purpose? Where do they fit into the picture?
FACTS TO CONSIDER
1. Tina Barber started
Konigin Kennels in 1962. Her mentors had taught her how to keep
excellent "breeder records" and she continued to compile data on the litters
born at the kennels she worked for, as well as those that she helped whelp
for other well known breeders in that era. Since she was often
commissioned to train/show some of these pups as they matured, she
started to keep detailed records regarding their "strong points" at 7-8
weeks versus attributes that they retained as adults.
is just something that ALL good "old time" breeders used to do, and true
REB's still do today!
Over time Tina also "picked
up" other data, like hip strength at maturity, etc., that she never even
planned on documenting--until she started experiencing the horrors of CHD in
her own breeding program. (Please see
What Are We Breeding For?)
2. In 1974 Tina chose
to change her kennel name to Shiloh Shepherds, and to use her incredibly
large inheritance to experiment in producing the ULTIMATE SHEPHERD.
Her first focus turned to
what she had already learned from the dozens of litters she had had and
those of other breeders that she had had personal experience with. She
started putting together a "data spread sheet" that would eventually be
In 1978 she moved to a
farm in Gainesville where she proceeded to produce an average of 25
litters per year for the next 12 years in order to enable her to select the
best (cream of the crop) for her future foundation dogs.
Before we look at the
numbers, let's take a moment to consider that...
If she had an average of 25
litters per year, average of 8 pups per litter, it would equal 200 pups per
year x 12 years for 2,400 pups.
But what about the pups she
produced prior to the BIG MOVE?
From 1962-1978 the
estimates run close to 300 litters. This would add another 2,304 pups.
And what about all of the
"satellites" she had during the '80's? Amongst them all, they produced
another 12-20 litters per year as well. So, taking an average of 15 litters
x 10 years, that's an additional 150 litters x 8 pups for another 1200 dogs.
To recap, if we add these
all up, we end up with a grand total of 5,904 puppies!
Litters per year
Number of pups
Number of Years
|Satellite Kennels (80's)
keep in mind, we haven't even entered the "rare breed" world yet! This data
was collected by Tina via her personal experiences within her breeding
program! The only place that has a record of this data is the TCCP!
The rest is still locked up in her brain, and has only been shared
privately with her partner and future heir--her daughter!
Now, let's look at this
information from another perspective. If each dog can be bred between 1
(males) and 2 (females) years of age, how many generations can be produced
over a period of 28 years? 14 generations?
forget--we are still dealing with pre 1990 data!
I left the AKC, I clearly published that I had from 7-14 generations of
FULLY DOCUMENTED LMX DATA in my private files. This was never a secret, and
in fact was the basis (springboard) I used to launch the "new breed"!!
As can be seen in this
Newsletter written in 1984, Tina already had 5 FULL generations of
documented LMX data, and 97% of the pups she was producing DID NOT have CHD!
LOOK AT THE NUMBERS!
Fourteen generations on
any dog equals 32,766 ancestors.
Since I chose Kari and Ursa
as my key ingredients, that alone amounted to thousands of dogs (if we
eliminate the imports and adjust the numbers due to the inbreeding). I
also used Ria and Sabrina, two lines that I had less data on.
Nevertheless, the data that I did have on those dogs, and their ancestors,
has to be included in the total "numbers" because they still make a great
impact on this breed!
3. In 1990 I opened up my
dogs to the "rare breed" world and entered with 321 specially selected
breeding quality Shiloh Shepherds. Many of these dogs had at
least 9 generations of recorded LMX data. Some had 14 generations worth.
None had less than 5 generations. Since I cannot provide the exact numbers,
suffice it to say that if we estimate that 70% of these dogs were
line-bred (having the same ancestors) that still leaves us with at least 96
dogs x 9 generations (1022) for a total of 98,112 dogs.
If we calculate a low
estimate of only 5 generations of such data (although as previously
stated most had 7-9 generations) the low estimate [321 dogs x 5 generations
(62 dogs)] would total 19,902 dogs. If we conservatively subtract 30%
of these dogs due to the duplication resulting from line-breeding, we still
have a total of 13,931 dogs.
1984 Christmas newsletter clearly shows that she already had 5 FULL
generations of documented data on her dogs in the early '80's.
managed to have that many dogs documented, it should not be hard to
understand that she certainly should have had at least close to 4 more by
AMOUNTS TO NEARLY 14,000 DOGS WITH LMX DATA ... PRE-1990!
So, I'd have to guess
that my personal Shiloh Shepherd data falls somewhere between those two
extremes (13,931 to 98,112).
show me any breeder that can stand up and provide this kind of data on the
dogs he/she has been breeding!
Between 1990 and 1993,
during the 3 year transition,
many litters were "dual registered" with the AKC because of the FIC failure.
During that time I kept my breeders books as before, and "ISSR" papers were
issued via the club (see the
sample from the Origins book), but those dogs are not included in the
"official" TCCP reports since they were the original foundation dogs, and
not "born" exclusively within the ISSR! However, the LMX data on those dogs
has always been maintained in the same fashion as all of the former AKC dogs
When we look at charts like
ISSR Puppies Per Year
we have to take this fact into account.
We had more than one litter
born in 1990! Just look at dogs like Captain, Sasq, etc. These dogs
were certainly born, but they had AKC papers.
For more recent data (through
2008), please view our updated ISSR
For example: If you
look at the puppies born chart, it looks like only 12 puppies were born
in 1990 and only 30 or so born in 1991. However, if you look at
the litters born in 1991 and 1992, the numbers don't seem to make sense.
This is easy to explain; even though we had numerous litters born
(please keep in mind that most litters consist of 7-10 pups, even though
we have followed the GSD protocol and use the acceptable "8" as the
average for Shilohs too), many of the owners chose to retain their AKC
papers. Accordingly, these adults are not listed in the TCCP database,
and, therefore, do not show up in the reports.
Nonetheless, if you look
at the charts showing the number of litters born per year, they clearly
show that at least 14 litters were recorded (because they came from my
private records, although several were produced via co-ownerships). This
would certainly prove that at least 112 pups were born into the ISSR,
not just "12" as the puppies born per year chart seems to indicate.
reality, 1990-93 were extremely productive for the Shiloh Shepherd! Just
look at the shows these dogs attended during that transition!
Nearly 1000 pups
were born during that initial time of transition! Unfortunately many
chose to remain with the AKC and were never allowed to make an impact on
our gene pool!
Now, let's try to move
forward, since that is the data that the TCCP has been documenting since
4. In the fall of '93 The
Complete Computer Place (TCCP) signed a contract with the ISSR and proceeded
to input all of the old data from my private records, as well as to continue
documenting all future Shiloh Shepherd data, and to provide reports as
always openly shared our reports with anyone that wanted to visit our
We have nothing to hide -
Beware of those that
However, you must keep
in mind that the GTF data reports only count Adult dogs, because we
cannot collect genetic disease data such as hip reports on young
Furthermore, we have to focus
on dogs that have been upgraded because dogs that still have their puppy
papers cannot provide us with the data for which we are looking!
I write a letter to our members that states that we have "100" dogs that
qualify, but only "20" have submitted their GTF survey information, that
does not mean that the ISSR only "registered" 100 dogs that year! How
review the process:
A. A litter is born, but the
pups are not
registered until they are between 40 and 70 days of age. Why? Because we
need to document the sex, coats, color, chip number, etc on each pup.
B. This is where we lose some
"pet owners" that never bother to send in their papers at all, just like
with the AKC. Only we have set a time limit and once it expires, the
pups are placed in another file as "expired".
C. Those that are sent in
with a "new name" and new owner information will receive a temporary
certificate that also includes a full 4 generation pedigree and they
will retain those papers until they apply for their
These papers also have a
time limit of 36 months. If that pup is not upgraded before his/her
papers expire, they too will be placed into another file. That does not mean
that these dogs don't exist. They just don't show up in the active data
However, the GTF has
continued to encourage owners to supply us with data on their dogs, even if
their papers expired. And for this reason, we have provided these people
with an online
When data comes in, it
is verified, and even if the dog's papers had expired, this information is
documented. In cases of CHD, we could receive data on an older
(expired) pet that developed a problem, and even though they are not listed
in our "numbers" reports, the information is included in the final GTF data
reports. Thus this could even screw our percentages enough to "appear" worse
than they should.
example, if 100 dogs were born, but only 50 ever got their final papers, it
would appear that this represented our entire gene pool, so if 10 dogs
reported CHD, instead of showing up as 10%, it would show up as 20%.
That's why the GTF merges its verifiable data (that includes both active and
expired Shilohs) in order to get a much clearer picture of the genetic
diseases that could be floating around within/through our gene poolT
Nevertheless, we encourage
everyone to provide us with full documentation so that we can produce the
best possible Shiloh Shepherds for all future generations to enjoy, even if
it means that we have to sit back and watch the slivers exploiting our data
in a negative way.
As long as the public
can "see" the truth and appreciate what we are trying to do for these
dogs--that's all that matters.
further study, please take a moment to read
Real Questions Honest Answers from the Shiloh shepherd Breed Founder.
In conclusion, the Shiloh
Shepherd (still under development) "breed" has been based on LMX data.
Without it, they are
just AKC GSD's or
The ISSR has nearly 5
decades of documented LMX data going back to the '60's.
The TCCP has documented
data on over 4000 dogs born within the ISSR (even though some have expired
and these numbers will fluctuate--as expired dogs are moved, new ones
January 2006, the ISSR (with the help of the TCCP) has documented LMX data
over 4000 genuine Shiloh Shepherd dogs registered within the ISSR plus
in the LMX/GTF database and access to over 200,000 GSD ancestors
that are listed in our RC database. Although some of these dogs'
ancestors were also listed in pedigree databases, available via the
Internet, these services only provide names, not LMX data.
The Dominants and
Recessives, as well as LMX data that has been compiled via the TCCP has
never been revealed via any printed stud book/alpha listings and is only
available to the LB's who order extended pedigrees on dogs they own/plan to
taken me a lifetime to compile this data, and it will be used to breed the
best dogs that the ISSR breeders can produce. If any one not affiliated with
the ISSR claims to have access to this data, they are lying to you!
Those people can't even produce full LMI or PER reports on their breeding
stock! Don't believe the political hype they spew forth!
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